Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby Iain R » 26 Jul 2016

Unfortunately, I finished knocking together my second S-Model Sheridan a few days prior to this being announced (and although I've not posted any pictures yet, I'm far to honest to cheat...!) :cray:



Lucky these boys are next out of the stash for building then, eh?
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Not that I'm planning on entering any of my ever-growing pile of them, but would any of the JB Models kits (or their Airfix-boxed successors) be eligible? They're quicker than most, if not all, of the S-Model offerings, and it's the sort of thing a few folk might have lying around?
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby mausmann » 26 Jul 2016

panzerfaust200 wrote:
mausmann wrote:I get the idea behind the build, ie show off skills etc, but for me a quick build kit is exactly that, so I can crack on with something else. If I'm going to spend a lot of time I may as well build a MACO or similar in the first place.


the build is a chance for folk to show off skills if the want to...

or they can crack off a quick model and enter - and then get on with something else...


its not like you haven't built PSC kits before - it just won't be a Luchs is all... ;)


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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby panzerfaust200 » 26 Jul 2016

Iain R wrote:but would any of the JB Models kits (or their Airfix-boxed successors) be eligible? They're quicker than most, if not all,


i've never considered them to be quick build kits, and from the pictures on henk's site - some have 3/4 sprues...
so in this instance - no, sorry... :hello:
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby Piers » 26 Jul 2016

panzerfaust200 wrote:
Iain R wrote:but would any of the JB Models kits (or their Airfix-boxed successors) be eligible? They're quicker than most, if not all,


i've never considered them to be quick build kits, and from the pictures on henk's site - some have 3/4 sprues...
so in this instance - no, sorry... :hello:


Which JB have three or four sprues? I've only built the Vickers Light, Saracen, Saladin and M113. Think they had two sprues. I know the Vickers was two small sprues.

Think the Vickers Light had 28 pieces. Certainly faster to build than the S Models one! :)

They are the original quick build? :scratch:
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby DaveC » 26 Jul 2016

panzerfaust200 wrote:
DaveC wrote:such as the 4 Ace guns



i don't think anyone who has ever built any ACE kit - would call them "quick" under any circumstance...

My point entirely :hello:
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby paratrooper67 » 27 Jul 2016

Sorry won't be entering this build then :cry:
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby Arvaker » 27 Jul 2016

Howcome?
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby paratrooper67 » 27 Jul 2016

Arvaker wrote:Howcome?

Because I have nothing suitable and I am not wasting time and money on this build ,as I've started my Arnhem project houses ,bridges ,etc recce would of been nice but I shall now build them anyway all for the bridge attack you see!!!!
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby mausmann » 27 Jul 2016

paratrooper67 wrote:
Arvaker wrote:Howcome?

Because I have nothing suitable and I am not wasting time and money on this build ,as I've started my Arnhem project houses ,bridges ,etc recce would of been nice but I shall now build them anyway all for the bridge attack you see!!!!


Indeed bro, Departmental Heads (Planning, Purchasing, and Production) meeting next week..... ;) :grin:
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby panzerfaust200 » 27 Jul 2016

paratrooper67 wrote:
Arvaker wrote:Howcome?

Because I have nothing suitable and I am not wasting time and money on this build ,as I've started my Arnhem project houses ,bridges ,etc recce would of been nice but I shall now build them anyway all for the bridge attack you see!!!!



so you can't get an S-models jeep and make a para recce jeep out of it then? ;)
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby panzerfaust200 » 27 Jul 2016

Piers wrote:Which JB have three or four sprues?


Saracan and Saladin both have three sprues, M113 FSV has four and the Land Rover Ambulance has five sprues...
I had to draw a line somewhere... :grin:


oh and the S-models vickers has 20 parts to JB's 35... ;)
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby Piers » 28 Jul 2016

I can build a JB M113 darn sight faster than the S Model one! :lol: :grin:
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby hincmar » 28 Jul 2016

Just a view but I would say that a quick build is usually limited to one sprue and no more than 20-30 parts. It's hard to define a reliable set of criteria. The S-model kits are an interesting hybrid. In terms of plastic, they are definitely quick builds - no doubt about that. Where they have been innovative is to provide - albeit not in all of their kits - a fret of photo-etch to allow those modellers who are so inclined to upgrade the detail. In effect, they fall within Rob's category because he has said that you can use the easy build kit as a base for further super-detailing. Whereas with other manufacturers' kits, doing so will require using aftermarket stuff and some good old fashioned scratch-building, the S-model kits give you the extra details in the box. If it was extra plastic, the kit wouldn't count. But because it is etch (a different, more difficult material), it does. You can build the base kit without it. Or you can go the extra mile and use it.

Can't comment on the JB models kits as I've never seen one but I suppose it most be possible that a kit can be defined as easy build even if it is not labelled as such. Some of the Hasegawa early offerings are a case in point - the schwimmwagen and kubelwagen have very few parts, for instance.
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby Piers » 28 Jul 2016

Thing is, S Models also vary greatly from kit to kit.

The Jeep is certainly not a quick build (ignore trailer)...

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Compared to Italeri...

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Guess which ones I bought! ;)

The same comparison can be drawn between the S Models JS 2 and other makes. I suppose the key here is that the S Models style of build instantly offers more detail than other fast builds, though granted, not always accurately.

But perhaps the indicator is better defined as 'has it got one piece tracks' as most commentary sees one piece tracks as making a kit 'fast build' regardless of other amounts of parts. But then the Caeser Sdkfz 10 have one piece running gear...

But yer it's hard to put a line down. But most S Models are one sprue except for a few.

Some are VERY big sprues.though... :lol:

Best thing is Rob just says what's in and that's that! It's arbitrary but only way to go as people's opinions, and kits by maker, vary so much.
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby Fitz » 28 Jul 2016

I'm really looking forward to the time when there are some pictures in this thread of kits people have made instead of just reading arguments over what is or isn't a quick-build kit.
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby Piers » 28 Jul 2016

I'm looking forward to when people can tell the difference between a discussion and an argument.

Don't like the discussion, don't take part.
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby Arvaker » 28 Jul 2016

Piers wrote:Thing is, S Models also vary greatly from kit to kit.

Best thing is Rob just says what's in and that's that! It's arbitrary but only way to go as people's opinions, and kits by maker, vary so much.


Agree fully with both those statements. Also, it is almost as if some brand their kits as "fast builds" while they aren't only because they think they will sell better.
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby Ray » 28 Jul 2016

I have several PSC kits i will do,they have been sitting waiting long enough ;)
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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby panzerfaust200 » 28 Jul 2016

Chris S asked if we could include aircraft - the Hobbyboss range of 1/72 aircraft are what i would call quick build (i've built a couple and compared to even old airfix or matchbox kits they are piss simple - the bulk of the aircraft usually coming in two parts...
this is typical in a box...

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Re: Short Build - quick build kits - summer 2016

Postby panzerfaust200 » 28 Jul 2016

Piers wrote:It's arbitrary but only way to go as people's opinions, and kits by maker, vary so much.


it is - and some manufacturers are mixed - but rather than go by a kit-by-kit basis - which is a pain in the arse - i've elected from the start to go by manufacturers... the inclusion of S-Models was in part to encourage the modellers who like that additional level of detail to take part - we are trying to be all inclusive after all...

Piers wrote:Rob just says what's in and that's that!


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