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Small arms fire vs vehicles

Small arms fire vs vehicles

Postby Grumpymoose » 19 Aug 2016

Hope you can help.

Bit of a noob question

Am I right in saying that small arms fire can have no impact on armed vehicles with direct fire? So apart from the rate of fire a .50 cal has the same impact as a rifle (or have I lost something in translation?)

Also what impact do they have on soft skinned vehicles?

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Re: Small arms fire vs vehicles

Postby Powermonger » 19 Aug 2016

Hi Karl:

Yes, you re right. Only Area fire with small arms against AFV.
In order to have a chance of pinning an enclosed AFV, you need at least 5 RoF (and roll a 6!). That´s an amount of fire equivalent to 5 bolt action rifles or a MMG in the rules.
If a single rifle was firing, it has a RoF of 1 and could do nothing against the enclosed AFV-
A 0.50 cal has no penetratioon value in the rules, so cannot do aimed fire against AFV´s. If you want to give a 0.50 some penetration power give it a value of 1 up to 10 or 20 inches.

Against soft skinned vehicles you can do both area and aimed fire. Area fire is resolved in the area fire table (soft skin column). Aimed fire is resolved as normal. Roll 1 dice per RoF to hit. Each vehicle has a number of hits (ie a medium truck has 3). When your truck reach that number it is destroyed.

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Re: Small arms fire vs vehicles

Postby Chris S » 19 Aug 2016

Autocannons, as well as being included in the small arms table, also have HE and AP values, which will be listed in the charts at the back of the relevant supplement, and so against armoured targets it might be better to use that kind of direct fire

Damage to soft vehicles from small arms is explained in the bottom right corner of p.25 of the mini rules book and damage to any passengers is explained on p.26

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Re: Small arms fire vs vehicles

Postby Grumpymoose » 19 Aug 2016

That's great, thanks.

It's what I thought, and how we've been playing. Coming from a Flames of War background a 0.50 cal could stand a decent chance of shooting up a German halftrack... good idea if I wanted to increase AP at close range.

I'm guessing the vehicle stat line will say if it has an autocannon or not

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Re: Small arms fire vs vehicles

Postby Chris S » 19 Aug 2016

Grumpymoose wrote:
I'm guessing the vehicle stat line will say if it has an autocannon or not

Karl


Not quite. The vehicle stat line will tell you what kind of gun is carried. Then, if you look at the gun data for your army they are blocked into categories. The autocannons are usually the second of these blocks, coming after mortars.

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Re: Small arms fire vs vehicles

Postby Grumpymoose » 19 Aug 2016

Ah, yes I can see

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Re: Small arms fire vs vehicles

Postby Isegrim » 11 Jul 2017

Hi.

I still have questions how to handle the autocannons when shooting aimed fire. Lets take the 20mm with ROF 6 and AP 2 until 20'' / AP 1 until 50''.

a) Autocannons are small arms. So when shooting I use 6 D6 to hit. For example: up to 6 hits against an armoured vehicle with penetration 2 at 20''.

or

b) Should I use the rule "aimed fire with armour piercing shells"? So I can only use a single D6. That means max one hit with penetration.

And what about shooting at infantry or soft-skinned vehicles? Is it up to my decision to shoot as "small arms" or "armour piercing"?

Against infantry I would use "small arms", because I could get up to 6 hits instead of one.

Using "small arms", against soft-skinned vehicles I could get up to 6 hits, but such a vehicle hat up to 5 hitpoints.
Using "armour piercing", I will have only one shot, but if it scores, it destroys the vehicle.
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Re: Small arms fire vs vehicles

Postby Brodir » 11 Jul 2017

The answer is b. Its aimed fire with AP at an armoured vehicle, just like an AT gun. You use ROF for aimed fired with small arms at infantry. You can choose to do either vs soft skins, but most use ROF for multiple hits, but you could use AP value vs SS on the AP chart (or HE value for that matter). Very versatile weapons, they are effective (to some degree) against most targets.
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Re: Small arms fire vs vehicles

Postby Isegrim » 11 Jul 2017

Thanks!
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