Humour me..theres a Maus in the house

Humour me..theres a Maus in the house

Postby Rubbsalot » 18 Jul 2017

Hello everyone,

Ive been playing BG for a couple of years now whilst introducing my 13year old son into the hobby. He is a great player now and also a gifted modeller compared to me at his age!

As a reward for weeding the garden he requested and got the new Zvezda Maus kit which he has built and painted. Now he has an idea for a (obviously fictional) scenario.

His scenario is based on using an abandoned prototype of the Maus as an objective with bonus points if you can tow it to a safe area (he is 13 guys). Another scenario sees it in action.

Any idea on stats for the beast? Or special rules even?

Moreover...how many tanks would it take to pull it? (we have no engineer vehicles yet)
Sounds fun but your help would be appreciated!
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Re: Humour me..theres a Maus in the house

Postby Piers » 18 Jul 2017

Unique, restricted and Unreliable!

Guns are easy...

Just use the armour stats for a Jagdtiger +1?


You wouldn't use a tank to tow it... A Tiger I ideally required three FAMO for towing so...
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Re: Humour me..theres a Maus in the house

Postby Greebs » 18 Jul 2017

Could the Famo shift more than a Bergepanther? Were they just for recovery under fire or something?
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Re: Humour me..theres a Maus in the house

Postby 7dot62mm » 18 Jul 2017

Kudos to the young man for coming up with an interesting, realistic scenario (instead of say pitting the Maus against 25 T-34s) :hello:

In general a tank can be fairly comfortably towed over level terrain by another tank of similar weight (this also works for three Sd.Kfz 9s towing one Tiger I). So in the scenario I'd say the German player needs to come up with a total of 188 tons of tracked or half-tracked towing vehicles, plus some extra sturdy towing cables or towing bars but I'm sure the Germans would have designed such for the Maus :grin:

On a road 2/3rds of the weight of the vehicle being towed should suffice:

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Re: Humour me..theres a Maus in the house

Postby Rubbsalot » 18 Jul 2017

Fantastic! thanks gentlemen, Ill let you know how it goes, game is planned for this saturday at the local wargames club.
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Postby etranger » 18 Jul 2017

The answer seems to be 6 Famos...

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Postby wolflord » 18 Jul 2017

The Bergepanther had a 40t winch, but with a pulley tackle up to 120t could be pulled.


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Re: Humour me..theres a Maus in the house

Postby 7dot62mm » 18 Jul 2017

wolflord wrote:The Bergepanther had a 40t winch, but with a pulley tackle up to 120t could be pulled.


It's also curious how - in real life - if you were to try and pull a 40-ton vehicle from a ditch using the Bergepanther to pull sans winch you might well fail. However if you use the winch you will most often succeed.
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Postby dadlamassu » 18 Jul 2017

If he is as devious as my 10 year old grandson the Maus will be a cunning Soviet cardboard and plywood decoy and the real one will be something like ...



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Re: Humour me..theres a Maus in the house

Postby Rubbsalot » 19 Jul 2017

I love that, brilliant :)
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Postby gebhk » 19 Jul 2017

A very mature, thought-provoking scenario! I love this sort of realistic inventiveness.

If the objective is towing the vehicle away, then knackering the running gear should suffice to scupper the German plans. This should probably be easier than the usual attempts to penetrate the armour and thereby destroy.

Can the prototype be gassed up (and even armed/supplied with ammo) as an alternative to towing?

What propaganda benefits can be gleaned from this action by both sides? - an excuse to bring on army photographers, cameramen and the like? And here is tomorrow's news: Using an elephant gun to shoot a Maus.

Good luck with the game - I would love to see more of this sort of thing at Wargames shows.

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Postby dead1 » 20 Jul 2017

And a similar play on the scenario idea is real life recovery of one of the first Tigers lost around Leningrad in 1942! Swampy ground at that to make life pleasant for all.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/leningrad-tiger-gilberto-villahermosa
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Re: Humour me..theres a Maus in the house

Postby Rubbsalot » 16 Aug 2017

Hello again chaps

Sorry for the delay, i've been away on holibobs (Bovington amongst other places!)

Anyway, I managed to make a blog in order to bring you a battle report.

i'd love it if you could take a look at it over here

https://rubbsalotsmancave.blogspot.co.uk/

Feel free to leave some advice and feedback on how it went and how i can improve future batreps.

Many thanks
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Postby Powermonger » 17 Aug 2017

Absolutely great AAR!! Very nice read & photos!
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Postby Piers » 17 Aug 2017

That's epic! :)
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Postby Cimmerian » 17 Aug 2017

Great report on a good looking game.
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Re: Humour me..theres a Maus in the house

Postby Rubbsalot » 17 Aug 2017

Glad you liked it, many thanks!
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Postby Fitz » 17 Aug 2017

That was a very entertaining report on what looked like a really fun game. :)
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Postby gebhk » 18 Aug 2017

Excellent and highly entertaining report. Don't change a thing in your report writing.

On the game itself I find the use of a corps or army-level gun in the front line of a skirmish a little odd. These things took some time to set up and by the time it was, either the crew would have been wiped out and the gun captured, or the battle would have gone the other way and would have been long out of sight by the time the weapon was ready to fire. However I am just being pedantic and if it makes for a more enjoyable game then why not?

Tanks were usually wired for self-destruction to prevent them falling intact into enemy hands. Perhaps that could be woven in the scenario? Will they/won't they blow it in time? Will they/won't they blow themselves up disarming it? It would give the Soviet pioneers a realistic job to do. The scenario could also be put on its head and have the Soviets towing a captured Maus away while the Germans mount a recovery operation. That could reasonably allow better quality troops with more armour for the Germans and give those lovely Komintern, Voroshilovets and Stalinets tracked tractors a workout :good:

I'm sooo tempted to adapt this great scenario for personal use. Fly in the ointment is that the little gaming I do do, is 1939ish and a 4TP does not have quite the same impact as a Maus, does it? :cry:
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Postby Rubbsalot » 19 Aug 2017

Many thanks for the feedback and suggestions!

You could try an armoured train for Poland '39 perhaps?

I love your idea for rigging the Maus with explosive, we may just have to adopt that idea.

As for the huge gun, my son saw it used in direct support in documentaries about the battle of Berlin and as its allowed in the army list just couldn't resist it. It sure looks good and has the "rule of cool" about it. It was a sitting duck, i just had nothing to shoot it with from where he deployed it.
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