First Pic... Battlegroup Tobruk & Future Releases

Re: First Pic... Battlegroup Tobruk & Future Releases

Postby Madprofessor » 12 Feb 2017

Ilkahn wrote:I'm looking forward to this supplement. I remember watching "Rat Patrol" when i was a kid. Loved the whole desert world war 2 stuff, it's what drew my interest into war gaming in later years.


The desert has long been my favorite theater as well. It is somehow a bit more "civilized," if such a term can be used for war. It is tough to game though, I think, because of the wide open spaces, long ranges, and lack of terrain. I am currently looking forward to doing Crete. It seems a good middle ground.
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Re: First Pic... Battlegroup Tobruk & Future Releases

Postby Przemos19 » 12 Feb 2017

Which period and units will cover these supplements: Battlegroup 'Spring Awakening' and Battlegroup Westwall?
What's the planned difference between forces in Spring Awakening and Fall of the Reich?
Is Westwall going to represent Dieppe Landing and commando raids in Europe? (St Nazaire)?
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Re: First Pic... Battlegroup Tobruk & Future Releases

Postby kustenjaeger » 12 Feb 2017

Greetings

West wall is usually the name given to the Siegfried Line so this would I assume cover September 1944 onwards. Not sure of the end date though.

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Postby NTM » 13 Feb 2017

Przemos19 wrote:What's the planned difference between forces in Spring Awakening and Fall of the Reich?


I expect it will include additional units and Hungarian list to use alongside FotR in the way Wacht am Rhein did with Overlord.
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Re: First Pic... Battlegroup Tobruk & Future Releases

Postby Przemos19 » 14 Feb 2017

We had a little discussion about Hungarians in 1945 on www.strategie.net.pl and our expert on hungarian forces stated, that in march 1945 Hungarian Tank force consisted of a few Panzer IV. 2. Panzer Division was completely depleted, fighting with remnants of a few batalions. 1. Panzer Division was destroyed in Budapest. Tank Destroyer squadrons were equipted with Hetzers. Only a few Toldi II and Nimrods were in rag-tag 1. Hussar Division. 7. Assault Gun squadron was also almost non-existent (StuG III). Turan and Zrinyi were destroyed in battles on Pust, the rest was burned in besieged Budapest. In march 1945 there were hungarian forces were virtually non-existent. It's better to depict Autumn 1944 or operations Konrad I to III.
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Postby Piers » 14 Feb 2017

Well Budapest is another option but at the moment we want to do Spring Awakening as a supplement to FotR.


Numeric strength of Heersgruppe Sud, dated 6 March 1945

71 Infanterie Division: 7 units of Jagdpanzer, 20 units of StuG
1 Volks-Gebirgs Division: 12 units of StuG
16 SS Panzergrenadier Div: 24 units of StuG
118 Jager Division: 7 units of StuG
3. Kavallerie Division: 7 units of Jagdpanzer, 11 units of StuG (13 SP guns are on maintenance)
4. Kavallerie Division: 4 units of Pz-IV, 2 units of Jagdpanzer (2 tanks and 15 SP guns are on maintenance)
1 SS Panzer Division: 14 units of Pz-IV, 26 units of Pz-V, 15 units of StuG, 6 units of Flak Pz IV
12. SS Panzer Division: 12 units of Pz-IV, 9 units of Pz-V, 14 units of Jagdpanzer, 13 units of StuG, 2 units of Flak Pz IV
2. SS Panzer Division: 24 units of Pz-IV, 6 units of Pz-V, 9 units of Jagdpanzers, 23 units of StuG, 8 units of Flak Pz IV
9. SS Panzer Division: 19 units of Pz-IV, 24 units of Pz-V, 10 units of Jagdpanzer, 16 units of StuG, 5 units of Flak Pz IV
23. Panzer Division: 15 units of Pz IV, 14 units of Pz-V, 11 Units of StuG, 11 units of Jagdpanzer (41 tanks +22 SP guns in short/medium term maintenance)
44. Reichs-Grenadier Div: 3 units of Jagdpanzer (5 SP guns on maintenance)
1. Panzer Division: 5 units of Pz-IV, 23 units of Pz-V
3. Panzer Division: 12 units of Pz-IV, 22 units of Pz-V, 13 units of Jagdpanzer, 2 units of StuG
5. SS Panzer Division: 3 units of Pz-IV, 9 units of Pz-V, 6 units of Jagdpanzer (39 tanks + 49 SP guns in short/medium term maintenance)
3. SS Panzer Division: 5 units of Pz-IV, 16 units of Pz-V, 6 units of Pz-VI, 12 units of StuG (58 tanks + 10 SP guns in short/medium term maintenance)
509 sPz Abt.: 35 units of Pz VI (B) + 8 units of Flak Pz-IV
501 sPz Abt: 31 units of Pz VI (B) + (23 units of Pz-VI (B) in maintenance
560 sPzJ Abt: 6 units of Pz-VI + 6 units of Jagdpanzer + (10 units of Pz-VI in maintenance)
I./pzReg 24 (Panther): 32 units of Pz-V


sPz Abt. “Feldherrnhalle: 26 units of Pz-VI (B) + 7 units of Flak Pz IV
Hung. 2nd Armored Div: 12 units of Turan, 10 units of StuG
6. Panzer Division: 22 units of Pz-IV, 68 units of Pz-V, 12 units of Jagdpanzer

Total: 494 tanks and 276 SP guns + 41 Flak Pz IV = 811 operational vehicles + machines in maintenance



As for Westwall, that will cover the period between the liberation of France and before the Bulge. This will finish off the main books for late war Western front and allow us to get get core western front lists back in print along with scenarios and the usual fare.
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Re: First Pic... Battlegroup Tobruk & Future Releases

Postby hincmar » 14 Feb 2017

Just my own view for what little it's worth is that the Spring Awakening battle seems to have been a damp squib / mud fest with not much in the way of fluid action compared to the various Konrad offensives, which might offer more variety and depth in terms of scenarios. That said, I love the theme anyway and will certainly be buying the supplement!
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Re: First Pic... Battlegroup Tobruk & Future Releases

Postby Major Tom » 14 Feb 2017

My preference would be for the siege of Budapest itself, the attempted breakout, and the relief efforts under Konrad.

The siege offers a plethora of mixed armour and interesting units scraped together but most importantly its got Hungarians taking a doomed last stand.

Failing that a late war Hungarian list in Dispatches would be a very nice bonus so that we could morph something out of FOTR and Spring Awakening :beg:
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Re: First Pic... Battlegroup Tobruk & Future Releases

Postby Juanbususto » 18 Feb 2017

Please, please...give me an excuse for building an GDR army!!
Any news for Battlegroup NORTHAG? :)
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