Milliput or green stuff?

Milliput or green stuff?

Postby SP> » 05 Mar 2017

I'm wanting to make some custom game tokens, small rectangular flat things, what should I use out of the two above suggestions? Or somethinmg else entirely. I may want to cast them up so what ever I make them out of has to be able to withstand that ideally.

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Re: Milliput or green stuff?

Postby Panzer21 » 05 Mar 2017

SP> wrote:I'm wanting to make some custom game tokens, small rectangular flat things, what should I use out of the two above suggestions? Or somethinmg else entirely. I may want to cast them up so what ever I make them out of has to be able to withstand that ideally.

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Both will be resilient enough for casting, with green stuff more so than miliput.
You can even "cast" green stuff in a push mold if the base can be blank.

Each have their own properties; it's as much about personal preference as anything.
You can also mix them together.

I find green stuff generally gives sharper detail, although tends to smooth things out. Miliput can be smoothed with water, but always retains a "grainy" texture.

Both need to be sculpted after the sticky stage; this is sooner with green stuff but it also sets quicker so the window of opportunity to work it is less.

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Re: Milliput or green stuff?

Postby Daryl » 05 Mar 2017

Das modelling clay is a cheap easy alternative... sets rock hard and would be no problem making a rubber mold, as would miliput and green stuff, if the tokens are completely flat with no detail green stuff would be wasted I think.
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Re: Milliput or green stuff?

Postby SP> » 05 Mar 2017

Thanks guys. Will have a try out with both before I commit to anything.

How long should you leave each before you start to try working with either?
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Re: Milliput or green stuff?

Postby Daryl » 05 Mar 2017

Greenstuff you have an hour at least before it starts to harden... though still workable for a couple of hours.

Are you going to put any detail on them at all. ?

Greenstuff is cheapest on amazon.
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Re: Milliput or green stuff?

Postby SP> » 05 Mar 2017

Thanks Daryl- was just going to carve detail into them after I've rolled them out flat and cut them to size.
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Re: Milliput or green stuff?

Postby Daryl » 05 Mar 2017

Im certainly no expert...greenstuff I feel is great for moving about and working down into but not good for removing excess to create detail if you get what I mean, greenstuff works best when you add layer upon layer...its very forgiving.
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Re: Milliput or green stuff?

Postby Panzer21 » 05 Mar 2017

The problem with working them is the stickiness; green stuff is tackier when you first work it, you will find it harden on you gradually but still be quite plastic.
Miliput is stickier overall, but becomes less so as it hardens.

You can carve miliput (as well as sand) but green stuff less so.

You need to keep tools wet, but too much on miliput and it becomes like a paste. With a wet tool you can work quite easily with both (if you know what I mean....innuendo aside).

Don't mix up too much;it's better to have to mix up another batch than have lots go hard before you have used it. Mix small balls of each to get the equal proportions.

Green stuff allows you to shape and impress details from when mixed, miliput I'd leave for 10-15 minutes after mixing.
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Re: Milliput or green stuff?

Postby Daryl » 05 Mar 2017

Panzer21 wrote:With a wet tool you can work quite easily with both (if you know what I mean....innuendo aside).


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I just put everything in my mouth :lol: thinking about it now a small pot of water would of been better, especially when it come to the scalpel and needle :shock:

I found water preferable to vaseline or skin cream etc as water dries quick easing the layering process as following bits will stick when placing them due to greenstuffs tackiness, vaseline nullifys that effect which can cause a serious rise in body temperature :lol: though I do believe the smoothest finish is with oily lubricants rather than water.
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Re: Milliput or green stuff?

Postby Panzer21 » 06 Mar 2017

Daryl wrote:
Panzer21 wrote:With a wet tool you can work quite easily with both (if you know what I mean....innuendo aside).


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I just put everything in my mouth :lol: thinking about it now a small pot of water would of been better, especially when it come to the scalpel and needle :shock:

I found water preferable to vaseline or skin cream etc as water dries quick easing the layering process as following bits will stick when placing them due to greenstuffs tackiness, vaseline nullifys that effect which can cause a serious rise in body temperature :lol: though I do believe the smoothest finish is with oily lubricants rather than water.


I'd suggest water as it avoids the toxic chemicals in both (miliput being worse for this).
Never used Vaseline but have been known to resort to saliva......oh dear we are back to nudge nudge wink wink territory.....when no water is to hand.
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Re: Milliput or green stuff?

Postby Adler » 20 Mar 2017

To counteract stickiness you need talc, water makes things stickier.
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